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In this talk, Gregory Kramer begins with the question, “What is the spiritual path for, why and how am I doing it?” He continues to explain how the human is hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving. In the second part, Phyllis Hicks describes how we keep it real by being here now with what is here now. By bringing presence to the difficulty and knowing the reactivity, the mind grows bright and we can know what it is to be caught. We are cultivating a path that leads to the cessation of suffering. Recorded in Holland, September 2012.